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GTI : 16 mai 2022

Secretaires : Evelyne, Ale, Bruno, Raphael

Thèmes : Discussion on three texts : Rosenbloom and Rinscheid (2020), Köhler et al (2019) et Geels and Schot (2007).

Compte rendu synthétique[modifier | modifier le wikicode]

Marc[modifier | modifier le wikicode]

Transition studies = historical background on LISIS, and there relations whith decline, pase, and destabilisation.

Transition = a target change goals (durability) and means (gouvernance).

Rooted in Sociotechnical systems in changes (STS, Evolutionary economics, sociotech systems, contructivism, and so on) is different and earlier thanTransitions (Geels and so on, multi level perspective).

Also  : articulation of Insitutions and practices : Barley and Tolbert 1997

A regime is very much absorptive (lock-in) vs. Sectorial innovation dynamics (at the niche or local level).

Climate change = capitalism cannot be processed by its capacity of absorbing. Also how change it ?

Geels and Schot 2007 : The regime creates windows opportunities in niche. But very early in the text, they explain that there is multi level interactions both bottom up and reverse (to conteract bottom up).

But lately, they are 4 dynamics pathway (Geels and Shot, 2010), including a reconfiguration pathway. But there are others which we should look for.

How do they deal with decline ?

Kholer et al, 2019 : MLP, TIS, SNM and TP are different concepts, somewhat incompatible.

Two angles in decline studies :

  • Civil society, culture and social movements in transitions
  • Business and industries in sustainability

Waat about destabilisation and phase out of scoio technical regime and the intentional governance of it ? Can we think of decline without the niche approach ?

Discussion[modifier | modifier le wikicode]

Nicolas: The idea of intentionality of MLP should be questioned in niche. Strategic positionning within niche and regime. Competition between different strategy or coalition of actors to destabilize the regime.

Raphael : What about landscape ?

What is clear in the disctinction between civil society which provides niche as opposed to firms which frame policies?

Transition studies should draw on socio history.

B. Agrees with Marc that these papers signal the importance of this topic. Give clues about where we should go. In ten years of research on destabilisation, its mechanisms are not well understood. It have been proven that it is important for transitions.

A. Political sciences and sociology are paying attention to subjects pointed by Marc. The problem, these papers on constructive sociology, and evolutionary ... are not read within the transition community.

Do we have to choose one of the four « labelled » frameworks or do we require different ones ?

Allison. All this work is a theoretical positionning on bounded rationality (steering, choosing winners...).

Marc = emergence of neoliberalism in the Thatcher era. Then, it was exported n US and came back in Europe. This was the « third path answer » in EU policies. The critics of MLP is victory of neo shumpeterism i.e. back to innovation, not actors.

Anthropocene = shows the limits of MLP.


The paper is highly criticable on the point that destabilisation does not allow us to question bounded rationality, empowerment, and bounded rationality.

Destabilisation, decline and phase out are emerging object of governance. « step out pesticides ».

Destabilisation is a research object in transitions studies, innovation studies, social movement theories, sociology (détachement, loss)... a coté of creation.

We can thing of Destabilisation at different levels and as fonction of degre of intentionality grassroots emergence to stratéfically motivated)

The paper is a bibliographical study of relevant papers on DD and P on decarbonization (the author’s research object)

Question from the title : deliberate decline ? What about emergent decline ?

This approch is very selective = they deliberately add some keywords to each one of the words. These keywords are different in nature. For example, Coal for phase out and authors name for destabilisation.

Phase out = substitution is one way of transitions. Sociotechnical dimension of Phase out vs System dimension for destabilisation.

Allisson : however, it is an interesting paper which bring a new topic (deliberative decline) on table. It is simple and easy to read.

Mathias = feels unconfortable about the fact that the author focus on DDP, without considering what is coming in place. A deconstructive side, but what for policies to support emergence of novel. What about deliberate creation ?

Nicolas : We should also consider the literature on digrowth / intentionality. For example, divestment and risk of economical crisis ?

Linda : Why not question destabilisation against sufficiency ? sabotage ? environmental terrorism ?

Ale = The authors had a clear idea of what they wanted to express on these three concepts. So they « manipulated » corpus. Therefore, network analysis is very discussable. But the article is interesting since they have strong knowledge of the field.

Work is missing on radical alternatives on digrowth. Systems theory go by physics metaphores instead of biology which is much closer to socio-technical systems (homeostasis, complexity = monoculture and extractivism ; post colonialism studies). We are not destabilizing a system, but destabilizing a monoculture.

Decline = death, destabilisation (shaking) and phase out (= intentionnality)

So are MLP adapted to destabilisation ?

Suggest papers to read /fields to explore[modifier | modifier le wikicode]

  • Destabilisation and novelty (ecological modernisation in Germany, Moll et al. )
  • Social movements
  • Organisations and industries / lobbying to resist
  • Politics and power in connection with social movements
  • 1 papers by Raphael
  • Links between Destabilisation/emergence
  • Social justice
  • Experimentation of decline / Actors / Institutions reorientate
  • Destabilisation and novelty / construction of markets
  • Social/justice/organisations/social movements/grassroots innovation
  • Lobbying in change = allisson will provide literature
  • Nicolas = 2 papers on degrowth (the economics of digrowth)
  • Bruno 2 papers : Callis.. and Feola.
  • Consensus = whenever the choosen concept, make sure we still think of the issue of dynamics, process of change

Ecologies of dismantelling in French.

For the new transnational social movements and the shifted focus of activism:

  • Tarrow, Sidney G. 2005. The new transnational activism. New York: Cambridge University Press.
  • Schurman, Rachel, (2004). Fighting “Frankenfoods”: Industry Opportunity Structures and the Efficacy of the Anti-Biotech Movement in Western Europe. Social Problems, 51(2), 243–268. doi:10.1525/sp.2004.51.2.243
  • Walker, Edward T., Andrew W. Martin, and John D. McCarthy. “Confronting the State, the Corporation, and the Academy: The Influence of Institutional Targets on Social Movement Repertoires.” American Journal of Sociology 114, no. 1 (2008): 35–76. https://doi.org/10.1086/588737.
  • McCormick, Sabrina. Democratizing Science Movements: A New Framework for Contestation. Social Studies of Science 37: 609-623. https://doi.org/10.1177/0306312707076598

Taylor’s concept of Abeyance in Social movements (part of the ideas of political process models (and protest cycles) of Douglas McAdam and Charles Tilly) – which offers an understanding of movement decline, failure and demobilization.

  • Taylor, V. and Crossley, A.D. (2013). Abeyance. In The Wiley-Blackwell Encyclopedia of Social and Political Movements (eds D.A. Snow, D. Della Porta, B. Klandermans and D. McAdam). https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470674871.wbespm001
  • Hipsher, Patricia L. “Democratization and the Decline of Urban Social Movements in Chile and Spain.” Comparative Politics 28, no. 3 (1996): 273–97. https://doi.org/10.2307/422208.

Collection of the chat papers[modifier | modifier le wikicode]

Moi à Tout le monde (5:02 PM)


Linda Widdel à Tout le monde (5:03 PM)

van Oers, Feola, Moors, Runhaar (2021). The politics of desliberate destabilisation for sustainability transitions.

Mireille Matt à Tout le monde (5:05 PM)

relation between destabilization and emergence especially when you want to anticipate decline or destabilization or phasing out

Mirabelle Husson à Tout le monde (5:06 PM)

would be interrested by some papers on destabilization experiments/existing actors and institutions réorientations

Francisco Garrido-Garza à Tout le monde (5:07 PM)

I'm curious about effects of niche markets (of local food systems) in policy as processes of destabilization.

Allison Marie LOCONTO à Tout le monde (5:10 PM)

Feola (2020) https://doi.org/10.1016/j.eist.2019.02.005

Matthias Weber_AIT à Tout le monde (5:13 PM)

How About the "Ecological Modernisation" literature? It is more prominent in the German-speaking world, but has also been taken up elsewhere. The interesting feature of it is the combination of destabilisation and creation of new institutions.

Allison Marie LOCONTO à Tout le monde (5:15 PM)

Innovation without growth: Frameworks for understanding technological change in a post-growth era

Mario Pansera, Mariano Fressoli


Ecological modernization theory: taking stock, moving forward. Mol, Spaargaren, Sonnenfeld 2013. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258266007_Ecological_modernization_theory_taking_stock_moving_forward

Je suis désolée mais il va falloir que je vous laisse!

je voulais annoncé un séminaire organiser par le LISIS sur innovation frugale donné par Saradindu Bhaduri qui est invité par l'IFRIS


demandez à Marc il vous en dira plus… Lynda devrait faire de la pub dans la semaine

La date: 16 juin 10h à 12h

Merci pour l'info ! Ciao Mireille 🙂

I’ll save the discussion

[file: BARBIER 2010 PKJ sociologizny.pdf]


Agency in regime destabilization through the selection environment: The Finnish food system’s sustainability transition' (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048733318301318?casa_token=-PGN9_QtyaEAAAAA:oCdrBwFOT8fha3FVEkL12g-kRDiL6NafbFvU-g3jBc0BFnbrWdRHBjR3gA0G4PNjpCG7JJs6ovgr